tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1991747192686383763.post7704486580663345791..comments2023-05-28T13:15:16.171+02:00Comments on On Being the Opposite of a Moth: Blood on the EarthHawkwoodhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07993700120131916459noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1991747192686383763.post-53315416252931333692010-10-31T16:14:21.641+01:002010-10-31T16:14:21.641+01:00Wonderful article! Cormon's Cain is even as I ...Wonderful article! Cormon's Cain is even as I described him in build, just old.<br /><br />I rather think the whole thing with Cain and Abel's sacrifices was a sly manipulation of the rocky transition between First and Second Temple sacrifices. What was acceptable in the First Temple had more to do with Asherah and Ba'al as vegetation deities. The 'new and improved' Yahweh (i.e. Ba'al done up EL style) was about blood sacrifices. What was it he asked Abraham to do? Sacrifice his first born son. But then at the last minute he substitutes a 'ram in the thicket' for Isaac. The Ram in the Thicket goes back to Babylonia and to the Harappan civilization where it was apparently a symbol of Shiva-Pashupati - the horned god of smiths and serpents and the shamans, and Lord of the Beasts.<br /><br />Cain symbolizes the pagan native agriculturalist of Canaan, while Abel is the keeper of flocks ...<br />which is exactly what the Hebrews were. Animal sacrifice took the place of human sacrifice. Have a read about the Khond people and their 'meriah' sacrifices. This is exactly what McCoy is going on about in Xiberia - which echoes back to the shamanic cultures that once inhabited the mountains of Western Pakistan. There is a good chance, genetically speaking (and as Samuel N. Kramer thought) that the Hebrews were the 'black-headed' people who came out of India...what was once Dilmun/Eden.<br /><br />http://www.ask.com/wiki/Khonds?qsrc=3044Dragonhttp://www.semjaaza.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1991747192686383763.post-29773544797122476682010-05-24T17:34:58.034+02:002010-05-24T17:34:58.034+02:00Why do you assume that this is a conversation, Moo...Why do you assume that this is a conversation, Moontyde? Do you have any comments to offer on the art of Fernand Cormon? That would be more to the point than continuing to question what I clearly state in my post is essentially and subjectively 'my take' on the events described here.Hawkwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07993700120131916459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1991747192686383763.post-49424085614719638712010-04-25T00:19:42.910+02:002010-04-25T00:19:42.910+02:00Whoa! Issue with? With neither! I'm sorry if ...Whoa! Issue with? With neither! I'm sorry if you took my attempt at further conversion on this topic in this manner. That was not my intent so I'll simply leave you be.Moontydenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1991747192686383763.post-83264495708970431102010-04-24T23:37:14.006+02:002010-04-24T23:37:14.006+02:00I'm sorry, Moontyde. I was under the impressio...I'm sorry, Moontyde. I was under the impression that Abel selected and sacrificed "the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering", because this is what Gen 6:4 actually says. Maybe you have some other version of the story which I have not read, but in my dictionary here on Planet Earth this is considered a blood sacrifice, because animals were killed with the specific intention of offering them to a deity. True or not? And indeed, the deity in question found that blood sacrifice both agreeable and acceptable; more so, as it turns out, than a purely agrarian non-blood sacrifice. True or not? Genesis tells us that this was indeed the case, so are you taking issue with me or with the Book of Genesis?Hawkwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07993700120131916459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1991747192686383763.post-7499024359396113912010-04-24T18:21:44.089+02:002010-04-24T18:21:44.089+02:00Ah! Then perhaps that explains why my ears were ri...Ah! Then perhaps that explains why my ears were ringing so! LOL!<br /><br />Why, however, do you connect a deity who grooves on blood scarifice, as you say, with Cain and Abel? No where in the tale did God command them to do as they did that I can recall. In fact, to the contary, God warned Cain in advance of where his unjustified anger would lead him. And God was very displeased with the outcome of Cain next great sacrifice ... the innocent blood of Abel!<br /><br />Nothing personal, as you say, but that's just how I understand it.Moontydenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1991747192686383763.post-16211745112198974152010-04-09T22:08:36.109+02:002010-04-09T22:08:36.109+02:00Thank you for your interesting and perceptive comm...Thank you for your interesting and perceptive comment, Moontyde. To come clean, I wrote this particular post in the hope that someone, somewhere, would comment as you have! <br /><br />Genesis does not tell us the reason for God's choice, but you offer a good explanation of your own within the story's context; as you do with your second point about the parent/child psychology aspect. However, I still think that a deity who grooves on blood sacrifices in his name has more than a touch of the heathen about him! But that's personal, of course.Hawkwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07993700120131916459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1991747192686383763.post-49714836476067717562010-04-06T20:30:06.150+02:002010-04-06T20:30:06.150+02:00A very interesting and lovely site you have create...A very interesting and lovely site you have created here.<br /><br />Hmmm, perhaps the issue with Cain's gift was that it was not the first of his crops, his finest produce, that he offered to God? Where as Abel offered up the firstborn and finest of his herd.<br /><br />And maybe God simply asked a simple and direct question of Cain even though He knew the answer just to see if Cain would freely tell Him truth. It's an old trick parents use when children think they know more and are smarter then them. Apparently Cain missed the honesty mark completely!Moontydenoreply@blogger.com